Muslim Centre in Ipswich Burnt to the Ground in 'Deliberate Attack'

Frank - A great pity

|2011-03-09 14:12:51

Muhammad Manwar Ali is a fantastic guy, who has taken a lot of flak from others, for the path away from political extremism that he has followed with JIMAS.

A very impressive man, and a terrible thing to happen.

pauline

|2011-03-10 03:24:47

of course this now means that the "unsafe" building can be bulldozed, and this of course can mean that anyone owning the site can build whatever they want within the planning permission etiquette. Perhaps a MOSQUE.

@ Pauline

|2011-03-10 08:23:49

'Pauline', get an education first and then speak. Seriously. Council estate trash isn't welcome.

Krisi Herbert - Islamic Centre Burnt Down

|2011-03-10 08:45:38

Personally, I think that the British people are fed up with our churches and other heritage buildings being sold off to Muslims; whatever the Muslims say they are going to do with it!! One question: If Mr Ali says it was going to be a community centre for Ipswich then why was it ear-marked for a one million pound islamic centre?? Which one is the truth? This is not the first time this has happened in Britain and it won't be the last! It seems that there are Brits out there that would rather see the building burnt down than another Islamic centre or mosque built!!! I tend to agree with the last part of my comment, but it is a shame to lose the buildings - the govt should stop selling our country out to foreigners, without our perrmission!!

Dennis Moore

|2011-03-10 09:20:21

Well well. Not a poppy but can you understand the reaction of some to that event. If as you say you are a muslin why don´t you and other Muslims speak our in the press about the radicals in you society. And unfortunately so many buildings that profess not to be places that teach Islam are in fact just that.

muhammed im hard bruce lee - mr

|2011-03-10 09:26:21

great news!

Dennis Moore

|2011-03-10 09:26:59

So any body that doesn´t agree with you is Council estate trash are they. Why souldn´t Pauline be entitled to her opinion the same as you. Choudray has never been arrested but I wouldn´t say he has moved away from extremism would you. You are a working class snob.

SuzyQ

|2011-03-10 10:33:39

Our churches should not be usurped by the religion of hate that is Islam. Better that it be razed to the ground.

Go ahead and call me council estate trash now and prove my point.

Hypocrisy

|2011-03-10 11:49:08

Look at this line justifying terrorism. So it's ok as long as it's against Muslims?

muslimconvert - stupid

|2011-03-10 12:49:02

You people moaning should stfu.If your so interested in your damn churches then use them, the reason it was sold of is because no one wants to use it. The gov are not going to let something sit and rot. If you love churches so much why piss on them when your drunk, why not put them to good use. selfish people. Half of you dont even know what the inside of a church looks like!!

shorty

|2011-03-10 14:19:10

It's amazing how muslims and lefties complain when something like this happens to them isn't it? Just by looking at the comments on here, ''so it's ok as long as it's against muslims.'' Someone burns a poppy and get's a £50 fine, kick a muslims car it's a £160 fine. So basically what your saying is your not going to say anything when it's muslims doing things like this, but when someone retaliates all of a sudden you feel the need to speak out because your insulted, it's wrong. And therefor it's ok just as long as it's NOT muslims.
Truth is muslims think it's ok for them to have freedom of speech and do as they please, but think it wrong for us to have that same right. If it's ok for them to, then yeah i don't feel any sympathy when something like this happens, why should i? Muslims support the poppy burners because they are muslims, i support whoever did this because they're not!! Does that answer your question? Call me estate trash, racist, fascist, nazi whatever you want, it won't silence me. And all you other kaffur should also speak out, don't let them make you feel bad for having an opinion, it is your right.

claudia skyes

|2011-03-10 15:22:41

Why is it that only muslim community centres are being built these days?
Reminds me of the Norman invasion.
First they build their castles and keeps!

Dave B

|2011-03-10 16:25:19

Please take this as a friendly hint... we don't want your mosques, we don't want sharia and we don't want muslims here!

British Pride - Enoch

|2011-03-10 17:13:58

Fantastic news. The only way my day can get better is if my numbers come up on the lottery this weekend. If this miracle happens, I hereby promise to restore this building. Back to it's original foundation, a beautiful CHURCH.

concern

|2011-03-10 19:56:11

Useful piece of information. The level of hatred displayed by these anti-Muslim message feels with me disgust when I think of what people would write had they been fatalities.

AA - AA

|2011-03-10 22:07:18

How pathetic. You think you can take whats in our hearts by burning whats made of bricks and mortar??

allah

|2011-03-11 03:00:27

when will they start burning mosques! burn baby burn!

Char	\|2011-03-11 04:51:02

Religion of hate? Where exactly did you come up with that? I can garuntee that for any questionable quote from the Qu'ran you give me as some sort of evidence that it is a relgion of hate, I can find you a similar quote from the Bible. I'm not religious but I see no good reason for singling out Islam when all three of the abrahamic religions are very similar and their holy books say pretty much the same thing. Anyway, guess what love, you live in a democracy and democracy means freedom of religion so I suggest you suck it up. If the church is not in use then anybody who buys it can do whatever they bloody well like with it.

@ shorty

|2011-03-11 06:21:12

Geez.. no wonder England's going down the drain and has to turn to educated immigrants to bolster its economy when it has ignorant trash like you roaming the streets.

Back to the point: Muslims don't support the poppy burning, you moron. Can you back up the claim that they do or have you plucked it out from what little brain power you have?

A couple of Muslims burn a poppy, which is universally condemned. A building is then set on fire, which you support. Makes sense.

I agree with the comment above. Your whole stance is full of hypocrisy. How often do you visit a church? You couldn't give a shit about that building and then suddenly when it gets used by a community which you are prejudiced against comes along and tries to put it to good use, you object? FU

M. Manwar Ali - Mr.

|2011-03-11 15:31:43

The actual church would have been restored, its Christian heritage preserved, its use facilitated to everyone as a Community Centre which could have included a Cafe, Day Care function, martial arts, banqueting, public hire for multi-faith worship including Christian services and general events and even concerts. An adjoining property would have eventually been adapted for Muslim worship and education open to the public. This would have been a truly British project with the look, feel and smell of English/British with no ethnic bias or focus - more than a breath of fresh air for all British Muslims and the general public alike.

Think what you like and you have the right to be suspicious - nobody is trash and everyone's opinion counts and worthwhile. Strong opinions demand greater engagement and conversation.

Our strong opinion as owner of the property is that poppy burners should have long prison sentences, such people of whatever creed or status must have benefits of ALL kinds withdrawn, and if they are not British then they should be repatriated to their countries of origin. This should apply once it is proven they were fit to stand trial.

M. Manwar Ali - Mr.

|2011-03-11 15:41:44

Krisi Herbert, Pauline, Dennis Moore, SuzyQ, shorty, claudia skyes, Dave B, Enoch and anyone else I have missed, you are all welcome to drop in and see us, have coffee and chat, or shout at us, hurl abuse or throw contempt at us. We are open to learning and willing to be educated in order to make our country an even better country for all no matter how politically incorrect the issues or words used.

We are very slow at replying to emails and workload has increased due to the fire and an upcoming conference making it even slower but don't let that put you off...

Anon - 800,000 Muslim soldiers WW2

|2011-03-11 16:38:25

The people that burnt the poppies not only disrespected British soldiers, but also at least 800,000 Muslim soldiers in WW2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JRYeo3kQ4E

This was widely condemned by Muslims as well. I can bet that this story will not make mainstream media, but something that a Muslim does wrong will enter the media straight away.

Hypocrisy

You're all retards - Mr

|2011-03-11 16:48:39

There is no proof this was carried out as a hate attack. None at all. What's with all the presumptions?

Zainab

|2011-03-11 18:06:52

Mosques were regularly established on the places of Jewish or Christian sanctuaries associated with Biblical personalities who were also recognized by Islam. This is a deliberate act (part of the shariah) symbolizing 'Islam's power' over others. So, YES ! I'd rather see that church burnt then being made into another Muslim community, cultural centre, wotever u call it. And to you non-Muslims who are naive and oblivious about Islam and its theopolitical objectives, u better start to educate yourselves now. You only have yourselves to blame.

Gay Avenger - Love the man

|2011-03-11 19:32:48

I think the premises could be used as a Homosexual / Muslim interaction centre.
The muslims could get to learn about homosexual practices and the gays could get to learn about base jumping without a parachute.Map of white cliffs of Dover included! As recommeded by Iman Leboats.

well disappointed out of towne - disgusted

|2011-03-11 19:46:53

how anti-muslim can you be tut-tut-tut, its so so sad to read some of those comments above from some narrow minded people who dont even know anything about islam, or even as to why more churches are closing down, may mans wish for peace rather than be buzzing of someone elses losses, wtf is ipswich coming to

They're Twisted Fire-starters - First they started burning buildings...

|2011-03-11 22:41:45

then they started burning people.

The nasty Nazis are having a rare "victory" shows them up for what they are. The best of British, then eh?

"Norman invasion" - what a loser, this democratic country's royalty & elected representatives invited us in to rebuild. Forgotten your history e.g. London calling to the colonies to rebuild & the jobs that the lazy slobs wouldn't do?

Build a church if you actually use it, but hollow symbolism is laughable & rather pitiful. Muslims and other communities are using them for worship. From what I see of the English, the majority of the youth don't appear to be increasingly worshipping in churches. What do you think?

How ironic , they claim to be against terrorism, but the hypocrites expose themselves.

This act of terrorism only serves to increase our faith & dig deeper for constructing more houses of worship, inshaAllah.

keith

|2011-03-13 10:30:42

The clue is in the "not insured" bit.
If the fire had been set deliberately by the owner of the "Community Centre" and a claim made, then it becomes a criminal act.
However if the Mosque (sorry "Community Centre") isn't insured then it leaves the site to be developed as a tailor made Mosque.
Calling a Mosque a Community Centre tends also to release grants that aren't available for building places of worship.
A bit of thought instead of the "council house trash" accusation might be a mind opening experience.

Michal - Wow, some of you would make great UGLY AMERICANS!

|2011-03-13 17:33:36

I'm not seeing that hatred and violence are the sole refuge of one particular religion in this world and incidents like this one and the vocal reactions of a few only underscore this. If some of you making hateful statements happen to be Church of England, Catholic, Presbyterians, Methodists, Hindus, or Church of the Bunny adherents, does indicate that your entire faith is violent and intolerant?
Really, I'm almost used to seeing these types of hateful rants from nubblies here in the U.S. but it saddens me that intolerance is universal.
Thankfully though, so are those who would speak out against such pitiful narrowmindedness.

M. Manwar Ali - Mr.

|2011-03-14 07:49:38

@Gay Avenger - Yes, the premises could be used on occasions for Homosexual / Muslim interaction.

@Keith You are right and getting grants through the devious means of calling a premise a community centre to tun into a 'mosque' happens, its wrong and should be condemned.

JIMAS has never taken a penny off any council grants and refused it when offered for community cohesion purposes.

You are all welcome to visit us and discuss.

gay avenger - twisted sister

|2011-03-15 19:51:44

@T.S. Our common enemy invited you here to cause mayhem!
The indigenous British aren't so keen on your presence!
Why do you think there is so much opposition to anything you do?
@Mr Manwar, you seem to be a righteous man so to you Salaam! and I won't go into my homosexual/Muslim interaction schtick. and hello from Claudia!

Gay Avenger - Jus' wondering

|2011-03-15 20:20:19

I know you're not going to believe that I'm not trying to sh1t stir, but why is it that wherever in the world Islam tips up then trouble swiftly follows?
I can give you an extensive list of countries if you so wish.
And please, don't give me the " kuffars need to submit", or " to Allah belongs the east and the west" schtick. I thank you, we all thank you!

Gay Avenger - Still wonderin'

|2011-03-16 18:43:00

I'm painting my toenails as I wait, they take ages to dry!
@ Twisted Firey Ring, you're soooo irresistable when you get angry!
Loser indeed! How could I consider myself a loser when you have given yourself as a comparison?

You know it - 2011-03-15 20:20:19 P. Tatchell gets it

|2011-03-16 22:40:43

"wherever in the world Islam tips up then trouble swiftly follows?"

Not quite true stirrer, easy to twist things out of context . But here are are a few related points.

Muslims make up about 20% of the world population.

Muslim-populated lands are strategically located centrally across the main communications routes.

Muslim-poulated regions have a high proportion of strategic natural resources required by industrialised nations.

MIC PNAC report identified China as the main rival & so indicated a requirement to grab the strategic highground.

After the Cold war, the potentially redundant investment of the War is profitable MIC created a new rival to justify its continuation in the early 1990s. The NATO chief out of the blue named Islam as the new Warsaw Pact.

The MIC ideological fanatics prepared the ideological base i.e. Huntingdon's Clash theory.

Muslim-populated nations have been worst hit by Western colonialism compared to unified Indic & Sinic civilizations. The colonial borders are tribes with flags similar to the African situation. The core region is situated in the Afro-Asian geographical area & has comparable problems with surrounding non-Muslim states e.g. Rwanda & Nepal. Like must be compared with like.

Colonially-induced disputes & Neo-colonialism (e.g. Puppets) are sucking the life out of the region e.g. France & UK. Palestine & Kashmir have huge effects on their respective regions. Mubarak of Egypt & Gulf potentates are typical of Western-supported disloyal scum elite.

The reportage is by the agenda-driven corporate MSM & unthinking imitators abroad.

One glaring example is the truism that most terrorism in Europe is ignorantly claimed to be Islamic. http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

Gay Surrender - Love my country and my culture don't queer it.

|2011-03-17 18:48:32

@ knowing me,knowing you

P.Tatchell dosen't quite 'get it' because your sophistic verbiage passed right over my head as I was tinting me roots.
This is o.k. because i understand that English may not be your first language.
But two points stood out:
i) "not quite true" i.e. near enough as to make no difference.
ii) "most terrorism in Europe is 'ignorantly' claimed to be Islamic".
As I have said already I could list a hatful of countries that have slammed up against an aggressive Islam.
Unless, of course , you are insinuating that these events were perped by the progeny of Abrahams second son!
And no way do I endorse the West sticking it's nose into any other country's business, wether it is Libya, Egypt, Palestine,Israel,Iraq,Afghanistan or Pakistan.Or vice versa!
My view is, east of the Bosphorus and south of the Med is your domain.And never the twain shall meet!
That way we can't rub each other up the wrong way.
(As they say in the vernacular!)

Grey Dementia - Knowing look

|2011-03-17 19:59:54

Whilst shaving me legs I took the opportunity to cast a glance at Loonwatch.
Now there's a one trick pony!
Indoctrination in one easy lesson.
You don't have to think for yourself, let some historical figure do all your thinking for you! It's a lot easier!
And you can always blame someone else.

luther2203

|2011-04-02 14:14:30

Do you realize every time you take a dump, urinate or pass gas you can draw a stright line from that activity to mecca? Makes me feel good every time I think about it.

infidel - the truth is out there!(somewhere)

|2011-04-07 01:08:02

@ manwar ali
w would u b prepared 2 rebut all alegations concerning the fire by publicly stating that the church and its grounds were never and will be never used for or turned into a mosque ? ?
i think if u were prepared 2 do that then i'm sure it would go a long way to silencing your critics- the question is....are u able or willing to make such a promise ???
i know what my money's on.....

A Summers - Anti Muslim rants!

|2011-04-13 09:44:36

If a Muslim man/woman wants to PRAY TO GOD in there MOSQUE then it SHOULD not be the perk of anyone else's business. FULL STOP!

All this ranting against Muslims. GIVE UP, Instead of moaning, telling fibs, inventing heresay about Muslims why don't you EDUCATE yourselves!

IGNORANCE IS THE ROOT TO ALL EVIL! Not the places of worship. It is disgusting that people think its okay to burn a place of worship...shame on the culprits....shame on them....and shame on people who who are ignorant and lazy to learn about other religions. GET A LIFE!

gay rememberer - anti muslim ants

|2011-04-15 14:24:29

Hello, remember me? I've just had extensive cosmetic surgery on my upper torso and feel like a tittle, so I logged on here again.
@ summer dreams - did you really mean "educate yourselves" or "indoctrinate yourselves"?
There is a difference you know!
Ignorance IS the root of all evil.
That is why Islam takes root in backward countries and is resisted by advanced western countries.
This is not to say the west have any good answers but we don't rely on myth.
Al Buraq- night flight from Mecca to Jerusalem?
This is more unbelievable than me turning into a woman!
Love you all and looking forward to your indoctrinated replies!
Gay.

Ipswich For Life - My Theory

|2011-04-27 14:50:51

We know now the church was not insured and it was a derelict listed building where it weren't worth nothing, probably wouldn't get insurance on it anyway but the land where the church sits is worth every penny of the £350,000 he paid. We also know he could not get planning permission for the property. Now its burnt down his got permission to knock it down and do what he want with. I'm know rocket scientist but the police should investigative this fully and get to the bottom of the scum which has burnt this building down and could of endangered the life's of many people.

newly islamic convert

|2011-06-10 06:59:00

wow, i have just read all these comments, and really....WOW! I am shocked at the ignorance i really thought better of people now a days, seems people are just getting worse. I am a white British woman who has chosen to convert to Islam, it is a lovely peaceful religion, and yeah ok there is a few bad eggs that ruin it for everyone else but its like that in any religion or community it does not mean all Muslims are terrorists or that we are all foreigners, i am jus one of an ever growing number of white British people that has chosen Islam as what i believe to be right and i wouldnt change my decision for the world! It is a sad day when people have to go to these lengths and believe that this is a victory :(

newly islamic convert

|2011-06-10 07:00:08

T. H - Confusion over the issue(s)!

|2011-07-07 10:48:48

We seem to have forgotten that the problem is the church has been burnt down, why is it now about Muslims. If there is any problems regarding either with some people they are separate issues. I also recall much earlier Manwar Ali has already said it was not ever going to be a mosque only one built next door possibly. Also money being donated now is going towards securing the building, not knocking it down.
The letters show how much respect people DO NOT have for others. We should respect all, and disregard only blaime any 'bad eggs' that come out the pipeline and the media make up to sound like a majority. Remember the IRA. cant blaime all the Irish and say they were terrioists too.

unusual suspect - Muslim arsonist

|2011-07-18 20:44:52

Ipswich for life:- I`m so glad to actually hear from someone who has the same opinion as myself. As soon as I saw the fire I said to my partner "muslims have burnt it down" (due to the fact it is virtually next to their mosque) then later that night on T.v, I find that muslims actually own it!!
Its so obvious whats going on and I congratulate you "ipswich for life" for being so savvy....
How long will it be before they ask for planning permission for a mosque on land that was already being used for religious purposes??
A community centre for all?? What ABSOLUTE rubbish. Or maybe extra grants they could screw our people for!! I`m getting sick of it and so are a lot of other people.

Please go to:-

http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/09/what-can-civilian-really-do.html

to see what you can do to help fight this Islamification of Europe.